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Angel

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FORGIVENESS

Forgiveness is a step of courage. We must forgive those who've hurt us or bitterness/unforgiveness will
settle deep in our hearts, making us prisoners to those who have hurt us.

It's hard but we have to allow the hurt from our past to come up into our present life for our forgiveness to be genuine. Today we can say that it hurt and choose to forgive our fathers/mothers/sisters/brothers, saying it was very wrong to blame me for all family wrongs and I didn't deserve any part of this blame. It wounded my heart but I'm going to let it all go now in the name of forgiveness and peace in my life."

Date: 24 Mar, 2007 on 05:41 p.m.
Loner

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You sound like a very strong person to be able to forgive so much hurt, good for you.

I cannot even consider forgiving my family at this stage of my recovery, however I am still in the early stages. I am still trying to stop letting them affect me, I need to be angry with them just now as this helps me understand that I am worth something and I deserve to be treated with respect.

I do hope that one day I am able to forgive though, understanding their hurt will help, but first I have to deal with my own hurt.

Date: 24 Mar, 2007 on 08:07 p.m.
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Alice Miller completely disagrees with you:

"Can forgiveness for the crimes done to a child be not just ineffective but actively harmful? It certainly can because the body doesn't understand moral precepts. It fights to make our conscious minds admit the truth and transcend our denial of genuine feelings. This is something children cannot afford to do. They have to deceive themselves and turn a blind eye to their parents' crimes in order to survive. Adults no longer need to repress their feelings. But if they do, the price they pay is high. Either they ruin their own health or they make others foot the bill." The Body Never Lies page 167

This is a consistent theme in her work. Forgiveness is not resolution but repression. It only benefits the perpetrator, not the victim.

My own experience bears this out:
Early on I told my family I forgave them for their wrongs. All that did was set me up for another round of abuse. Not forgiving them doesn't mean I'm still angry but it does mean I've learned not to trust them.

On the other hand, if they were to recognise they did wrong, sought to make ammends and over time proved they were changed people I could learn to trust them again. As it is, they don't want or deserve my forgiveness and I have revoked it. It is a useless concept.

I encourage others to explore and experience their own genuine emotions and feelings without seeking to forgive anyone. Anger dissipates when experienced not when the incident that caused it has been forgiven. Forgiveness is something religions preach to pacify the victim not to help them.

Date: 24 Mar, 2007 on 08:18 p.m.
Angel

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Hi loner --
Thanks for your kind words. Forgiveness to me means not being affected by what my family does/did anymore. In the dictionary the meaning of forgiveness is "to give up the wish to punish or get even with" -- Once in awhile if I hear something about my original family I forget for a minute or two how harmful they have been, BUT then I remember and I'm off and running, free from all that chaos.
There were many years that I went through the beginning stages. In time the fire went out of my anger and it turned to hurt which I cried out in the loving arms of my precious husband. After that, I didn't even seem to care about my family, whether they thought I was right or wrong ever. You do need to be angry for as long as it helps you get to the hurt which is where the healing is.
---I changed my nicname just to see if I knew how to do it.
Angel/DeeAnn
Date: 24 Mar, 2007 on 09:52 p.m.
Loner

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Hi, sorry I didnt realise you had changed your name to Angel as not been on for a while - I will remember in future.

Forgiveness to me is about understanding and then letting go, its not about saying its ok that you treated me badly. I have no intentions of telling my family I forgive them, they dont want my forgiveness and dont even realise the wrong they do.

I know they are the way they are because of hurt they have been through and they just dont know any better. I certainly wont be letting them treat me like crap any more, those days are over, but I hope to understand them more and that way I can just let go. To not hold it against them is forgiveness to me. (They know not what they do).

In the mean time, my anger towards them is part of my recovery and I feel it is quite healthy especially now I am learning to let it out in a controlled way. To just let the anger go rotton inside without dealing with it is a very unhealthy thing to do and is the cause of depression and mental disorders.

I look forward to the day I am able to forgive and know that will be the day I will find true inner peace.

Date: 25 Mar, 2007 on 12:09 p.m.
Angel

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Loner -
I agree with you that people justify what they do and deceive even themselves. That doesn't make it right but it happens. Telling my family that I forgive them would just start a fight and I'm done with that - knowing resolutions/healing does not take place when people fight. To let the anger out in a controlled way instead of letting it stay inside and rot gives me a new understanding of what it means to release anger. I agree with you that it should be "very" clear to these family members that it's not ok to treat us badly. I love your posts! You have a beautiful way with words!
Angel/DeeAnn


(Loner's quote) "Forgiveness to me is about understanding and then letting go, its not about saying its ok that you treated me badly.
To not hold it against them is forgiveness to me. (They know not what they do).

In the mean time, my anger towards them is part of my recovery and I feel it is quite healthy especially now I am learning to let it out in a controlled way. To just let the anger go rotton inside without dealing with it is a very unhealthy thing to do and is the cause of depression and mental disorders."

Date: 25 Mar, 2007 on 05:32 p.m.
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